my new and old HIv labs and supision about HIV doc

So I was diagnosed back in may with a 204 Viral Load and 389 Cd4

I started MMS right after along with ozone rectal. I started taking MMS 1 drop every hour for 2 months, I then started just taking it whenever sometimes drinking a whole bottle, I never had any side effects, I read this is a good sign.

My doctor drew blood in july to find my genome type to start me on meds, the doctor called and said they couldn't put me on meds because I didn't have enough virus in the blood, I picked up my labs, and I asked why where it says Viral Load, its blank, he said they didnt run it.. but I thought they had to run it, how would they know much virus I really have if they didnt run it? I personally think he dosnt want to admit to me that no virus showed up.


anyways, I continued taking MMS and I also started on Revivo Tea, I heard is good for HIV. I also continued ozone rectal and I started adding cocoanut oil to all my diets.

In september I started doing Ozone IV injections and continued doing my MMS but I wasn't drinking it everyday anymore, as I felt Great, My vitality is high and every time I got a cold or the flu like anyone eles, I got over faster then they did.

I was retested in late october for My CD4 and Viral Count, the doctor never called me back the day of the time he said he would when the labs came in, I waited 2 weeks after he received the labs to finally get a call, even after I called and bugged them.

the doctor finally called, and told me he has my labs, and he asked if I was taking the complera he put me on, I said yes, then he said OK thats why!, I was like that why what? he said your Viral load is 289, and my CD4 is at 800 now. I then told him im not taking the HIV meds complera, and then he said you said you were, I said I tried it for 3 days only and stopped, then he sounded confused, I then asked, is there a possibility this whole HIV scare was just a mistake? he then paused for a few seconds, then asked, where was I tested at, I told him where, then he was like , well they ran the western blot and thats pretty accurate, But what I noticed if my VL was 289, why did he pause and think about my question? why didn't he just tell me the proof is in the papers in his hands?

I feel he may have tampered with my labs, because when I first started seeing him, I was debating with him, that this disease is curable and he told me im wrong and he thought I was stubborn, and he just insisted he was right and refused to belive, he seems like he hates to be wrong and is all about money.

I told all my family im cured, there all proud, now I cant bare to them them I still have a viral load, and wouldn't my VL shoot up high with everything I was doing, could there machine only be counting dead viruses?

MOS with Liam Scheff - HIV Testing

Myths of Science Episode 2 - part one of a two on HIV Testing. Liam explains why he dislikes HIV tests, and feels they are inhumane, unethical and also that they suck monkey balls, and should be illegal.



liamscheff.com/the-hiv-aids-investigation/

Referenced Quotes about HIV/AIDS Tests and Measurements

Viral Load (PCR; Polymerase Chain Reaction)
Viral load tests are often claimed to detect the genetic material of HIV, either the DNA integrated into cells or the RNA in viral particles circulating in the body. Yet these tests search for only a small fraction of the HIV genome, and HIV has never been properly isolated, a step which would be necessary to allow the genome to be unambiguously determined. Furthermore, the viral load test cannot distinguish between infectious and defective virus, and in some studies only 1 out of 60,000 viral particles was estimated to be infectious. Papers published before PCR was widely available (mostly pre-1990) use different types of test, such as Southern Blot, to detect and measure DNA and RNA.

aras.ab.ca/test-pcr.html

Antibody tests are the most commonly performed. Usually an ELISA test is performed, and then repeated if positive. Following that, for positive ELISAs only, a Western Blot (WB) is performed. ELISA is not a Yes/No test, it is only a continuum of color change that is interpreted in this way because of an arbitrary cutoff point. Western Blot has the purported HIV proteins separated on a strip, with various methods used for interpretation (varying from country to country, and from organization to organization). Both types of tests measure antibodies, which in many diseases are considered a sign of immunity (particularly in the absence of symptoms). Why are antibody tests considered a sign of fatal disease in HIV/AIDS? Why are two of the same type of test used to validate each other?

aras.ab.ca/test.html

CD4/CD8 Immune Cell Counts
Low CD4 cell counts (or abnormal CD4/CD8 ratios) are considered to be an unambiguous sign of the progression of AIDS, yet science does not support this. There are people with AIDS with normal CD4 cell counts and healthy people with low CD4 cell counts. Over a large group of people, it may well be true that on average, low CD4 cell counts identify a group of people who are more likely to be in ill health, but this logic does not apply to all individuals. Furthermore, even if low CD4 cell counts were always associated with ill health, it would not necessarily follow that artificially raising these counts with toxic drugs would be beneficial. CD4 cell counts are a type of Surrogate Marker, a lab measurement that substitutes for a real measure of health. Consequently, decisions made on the basis of CD4 cell counts should be interpreted with caution, particularly decisions that could prove damaging, such as starting antiretroviral medications.

“When an AIDS doctor declares that a patient with a CD4 count is “severely immune-suppressed” he is making a prediction based on the CD4 count with near certainty. When a doctor proclaims that an HIV positive person’s CD4 count of 200 or 350 or 500 shows that it is “time to start drugs” they are also making a prediction on the basis of a CD4 count, a prediction with implied certainty. Perhaps, if pressed, the doctor might admit that there are some people with low CD4 counts who are not sick, but the basic message is that CD4 counts have been shown, scientifically, to be highly accurate indicators of your stage of “progression to AIDS” – from asymptomatic to pre-AIDS (“AIDS-related complex”) to full-blown AIDS and then death. But, what is the evidence that CD4 counts are associated with stage of immune suppression? And, how accurate would a prediction that a certain CD4 count indicates that a person is at a particular stage of HIV or AIDS be?”

aras.ab.ca/test-cd4.html

Does AIDS Cause HIV?

The AIDS Investigation

Tags: AIDS Drugs, HIV test, HIV/AIDS
May 13, 2010 2

by Liam Scheff for OMSJ.org

liamscheff.com/the-hiv-aids-investigation/

How we’ve gotten AIDS wrong for 25 years, and how to fix it…

Those ‘in the know,’ who read and scour and search the medical literature on AIDS and HIV testing, are well aware that neither of these belief systems works according to their promised plan. Here’s how it was supposed to go:

A single unique particle, (originally called LAV, then HTLV-III, then rechristened HIV) gets into the body via semen or blood exchange; it gravitates somehow to the white blood cells called T-Cells; it opens the cell door, somehow, and copies itself into the genome, using an enzyme called Reverse Transcriptase. These cells are then impaired, and die, supposedly. This weakens the body over time and other illnesses occur.

That’s the official narrative. But only more or less, because there are so many alterations and versions of the official story at this point that it’s hard to keep up. “Maybe cells aren’t killed directly, maybe latent infection is really active, maybe constant exposure causes immunity…” The official story has caused nothing but headaches and trauma for the mainstream, as it’s never held together, and no part of it is ably demonstrated or proven. In fact, most aspects of the story are countered by observation.

That is, there is no unique, purified, isolated, gold standard particle called “LAV,” or “HTLV-III,” or “HIV.” There are many divergent proteins that are grabbed out of blood samples through antibody testing, and a far greater number of genetic threads, copied out of cell cultures by a touchy, highly sensitive technology called PCR. All of these are supposed to be “HIV.”

This wild diversity of fragments gave CDC cop and New York Times pharma-shill Lawrence Altman the impetus to coin his second-most famous line: “HIV, the wily retrovirus.” (His first is “The virus that causes AIDS.“)

And right there you have the second major problem. AIDS is about, well, if I said 10,000 diseases, I’d be in the ballpark. It is a disease category as long as Pinocchio’s nose, and as deep as a the Grand Canyon. It grows at will, and can never be filled up – it grows and goes. Any disease can be called “AIDS” if it occurs in people who the medical cops think are “at risk for AIDS.”

www.umlingo.wozaonline.co.za/Medicinal+fraud

The History of the AIDS Epidemic
excerpt from Deadly Deception

1994

HIV does not cause AIDS.... The point that everyone is missing is that all of those original papers Gallo wrote on HIV have been found fraudulent.... The HIV hypothesis was based on those papers. — Peter Duesberg

How the Lie Began

www.umlingo.wozaonline.co.za/DEADLY+DECEPTION

AIDS truth exposed: HIV can be cured with proper nutrition!

Dr. Luc Montagnier who is credited with the discovery of HIV speaks of how drugs are unnecessary and that HIV can be cured with proper nutrition!

Shocking un-cut footage from Brent Leung's documentary "House of Numbers" reveals truth about AIDS as told by Dr. Luc Montagnier. AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from the co-discoverer of HIV. Posted by NaturalNews.com



Tests

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Reading the standard medical literature on HIV tests, you will discover that:

The Tests ‘test’ for no one thing.
They diagnose no one thing.
They do not show infection with any single thing.

HIV tests may tell you that you have an illness, or they may tell you that you are pregnant. They give no single response, and diagnose no single condition. They may indicate immune suppression, or any variety of major or minor ailments.

The complex details of HIV testing are not reported to the public; they remain hidden in the medical and industry journals, and are actively suppressed by major media in public discussion. These are important public issues, and we all should have a clear and unobstructed view of all available data, no matter how it affects or challenges a publicly-held idea or policy.

It is impossible in a court of law to receive a death sentence for any crime as easily as it is to receive a false reading on an HIV test. It is a label that cannot be overcome in court, and cannot be appealed under any circumstance.

reducetheburden.org/1-2/



HIV/AIDS TEST = STRESS TEST have even read some where that the CD4 TEST is more a measurement of FAT.

Do your coconut oil thing, add moringa, do your research, cannabis oil and a lot more roots and barks are out there to help your body heal itself of whatever condition you have, the magic juice and green smoothies are other options, try and get a proper diagnoses of what you have, perhaps its just parasites and worms... check out the parasite/worm protocol, once you know what you really have perhaps the docs dont know what it is but the old lady in the street and many more know what it is, treatable with many natural substances, besides all the testing what condition do you really have even if it seems small to you, perhaps someone right here on the forum knows and can help.

With time believe even viral load will go back to levels you are happy with...

Thanks,

Excellent post ZnzMagic!!

Thank you brother! Saying it is what really counts!!!

And do MMS2 with that diet!

LOL, love the "sucks monkey balls"

After watching these You Tube videos about Aids , what is the official stance of the Genesis ll Church
about treating Aids-HIV ?

I do not believe the church has an official stance on AIDS, but if they did, I would imagine it to be something along the lines of the reality of the situation, which is that the church have had reported good experiences with MMS vs. AIDS.

My personal view is probably the conclusion of anyone who really takes the time to look into the HIV chicanery, and especially videos such as the ones posted in this thread and others in the AIDS category of this forum. As Peter Duesberg or some other retrovirus expert probably said publicly or to themselves; -The problem is not getting diagnosised with HIV, as anything can get you diagnosed with HIV. Drinking milk can get you diagnosed positive for HIV, or working out, picking flowers and probably whatever else.

2012 interview with Duesberg:

My question is has the Genesis ll Church made a decision to state the truth ?
Knowing the truth is in it self very healing .
Aids in it self seems to be mineral salt ( chloride) deficiency of some sort ,,poor health or opportunistic pathogen ? parasite ?
I'm just trying to get behind the cause and truth , so I can be fully honest with my friends past present and future.
I can feel comfortable sending someone here, but it sure would be easy if the hoax was exposed by the church.

Jim discusses AIDS in his book, I have the online version. There are 2 chapters that address it:

pg 175 MMS, ARVs, and Vaccines

pg 221 HIV / AIDS in Malawi

Possibly this will answer your question, cain.

Measuring “Viral load” does not prove the existence of a hypothetical HIV by Etienne de Harven, M.D.

by Robert Scott Bell

Foreward by RSB: Some of my listeners have written in to ask me what I think of the news story claiming that HIV can be used to modulate the immune system’s action against Leukaemia. I call bullshite. They make it up as they go along. No, they have not isolated it, but if they say you have it, rest assured that they can’t find it. But remember, you can test positive for it. And for pregnancy. And for the flu shot. And if you test positive on a non-specific cross-reactive (hiv) test, it means that you are going to die. Unless we can vaccinate you for it. Hold on a minute. Then you’ll test positive on all future “HIV” tests. Wait a second. Oh, hold on, that’s O.K., because those positive test results will be interpreted to mean that you will live. Or maybe that you have prostate cancer. Or it could be an old Buick that you once had, or didn’t, we’re not sure. But we are sure that HIV is the cure for leukaemia. Right.

See what I mean? Anyway, Dr. Etienne de Harven has asked that I go further, especially for anyone you know who ignores the ludicrosity of HIV tests and jumps to viral load test conclusions as evidence that HIV is real and it will do really bad things to you. Nonsense. Read on:

Measuring “Viral load” does not prove the existence of a hypothetical HIV.

By Etienne de Harven, M.D.

When PCR methodologies are clinically applied to measure the so-called “Viral load”, results do not permit to quantify, in any way, the number of HIV particles hypothetically present in the circulating blood of AIDS patients. Demonstrating retroviral particles using the electron microscope, directly in patient’s blood samples, and without any passage through cell culture systems, would be definitely more convincing to demonstrate at least their presence, if not their number. However, such a demonstration has never been successfully achieved, even with samples originating from patients presenting a so-called “high viral load”. Embarrassingly, the clinical blood samples used for measuring the presumed “viral load” are usually obtained after low speed centrifugation of blood plasma, i.e. under conditions that would never permit to isolate any retroviral particles. Isolation of retroviral particles is never part of the procedures recommended to “quantify” HIV viral load. Even more surprising, when an ultra sensitive assay is used (the latest Amplicor procedure recommended by Roche that includes high speed centrifugation), the levels of viral load were found lower, not higher (Salimnia et al., 2005).

Under these conditions, what is actually measured as “HIV viral load” remains obscure. False positives cases had been reported for a long time (de Mendoza et al, 1998), and the uncertainty on the viral load assays interpretation had been stressed by many investigators (C. Johnson, 2001, R. Culshaw, 2007, H. Bauer, 2010, etc). Moreover, Kary Mullis himself, inventor of the PCR methodology, never stopped decrying the “misuse of PCR to quantify viral load” (Culshaw, 2007).

Actually, it has never been possible to verify the assertion according to which if the genetic sequence is there, then the virus is there, since in “the standard assay, nucleic acids are extracted directly from plasma samples, so any contaminating genetic material would be amplified”, as stated by Salimnia in 2005. If the genetic sequences are not originating from hypothetical retroviral particles (HIV), it appears necessary to provide an alternative understanding for the identification of retroviral nucleotide sequences in the plasma of most AIDS patients.

Such an alternative understanding is readily provided here, and was published in 2010 in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons ( www.jpands.org/vol15no3/deharven.pdf ).

The blood of patients suffering from advanced cancer or from serious infectious diseases contains measurable amounts of circulating DNA (P. Anker, 1999). This circulating DNA originates apparently from the degeneration of many cells by apoptosis, releasing in the peripheral blood cellular and nuclear debris. Such cellular fragments shall inevitably, in AIDS patients, be concentrated by the low speed plasma centrifugation used to prepare samples for measuring the so-called viral load. The presence of nuclear debris explains the variable amounts of DNA in these plasma samples.

Additionally, any human DNA contains approximately 8% of retroviral genetic sequences (Lower, 1996; Nelson, 2003, and the voluminous literature on Human endogenous retrovirus – HERVs). It is therefore inevitable that all circulating DNA molecules contain similar 8% of retroviral sequences, and that these nucleotide sequences will be identified and amplified by the PCR methodologies used in attempts to quantify the presumed viral load. Most unfortunately, finding these genetic sequences is interpreted, world-wide, as demonstrating the presence of the hypothetical HIV in AIDS patients blood, and, even worse, as a way to quantify the number of retroviral HIV particles!

Numbers expressing the levels of presumed “viral load”, in all clinical studies of AIDS cases, are most probably not related in any way to the hypothetical presence, and even less to the amounts, of phantom-like (i.e. not visible by electron microscopy) HIV particles. They most likely reflect the variable amounts of circulating DNA in the blood of these patients, DNA that inevitably contains retroviral sequences. These sequences represent endogenous retroviruses (HERVs) present in all our chromosomes (Nelson, 2003). They do interfere as “confounding factors” in all clinical studies on HIV/AIDS (Voisset et al., 2008), and their interference can no longer be ignored.

In addition, it is very likely that some seronegative patients suffering from advanced cancer or from severe infectious diseases would test positively for so-called “viral load”, in spite of the fact that their pathologies are totally unrelated to the hypothetical HIV. Unfortunately, this important control study has apparently never been achieved.

Conclusively, retroviral genetic sequences do not demonstrate the presence of the hypothetical HIV in the blood of AIDS patients, since the finding of these genetic sequences can be very likely explained by variable amounts of circulating DNA. Interpreting these genetic sequences as proof of the existence of HIV was perhaps the only argument available to all those, in AIDS research, who support the existence of HIV. The analysis presented here raises serious questions about this interpretation, therefore consolidating the notion that HIV simply does not exist. This comes to no big surprise in view of the total lack of success in all efforts to isolate and purify HIV, as reported a long time ago by Lanka, Papadopulos and de Harven. The “existential” issue is not a trivial point to be debated only between retrovirologists! It is a key issue in public health policy because the totality of the monumental financial support is allocated, world wide, to support exclusively HIV research. The non-existence of HIV would make this a most dramatic case of complete misappropriation of research funding.

Contact: pitou.deharven@orange.fr, Saint Cezaire, 06530 France, May 30 2012.

References:

- Salimnia H. et al. (2005) in jcm.asm.org/content/43/9/4635.full

- De Mendoza C. et al. (1998). AIDS, vol 12, 15, p 2076-2077.

- Johnson C. (2201) in www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/chjtests5.htm

- Culshaw R. (2007). Science sold out. The Terra Nova Series, North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, California.

- Bauer H. in (2010) in www.jpands.org/vol15no1/bauer.pdf

- De Harven E. (2010) in www.jpands.org/vol15no3/deharven.pdf

- Anker P. (1999) in Cancer Metastasis Rev. 1999;18(1):65-73.

- Lower R. et al. (1996) in www.pnas.org/content/93/11/5177.full.pdf -

- Nelson PN. Et al. (2003) Demystified human endogenous viruses, in Mol Pathol. 2003 Feb;56(1):11-8.

- Google, on Human endogenous retroviruses.

- Google, on Human circulating DNA.

- Voisset C. et al. (2008) Human RNA “rumor” viruses: the search for novel retroviruses in chronic disease. Microbiol Mol Biol Rev 2008;72:157-196.

- Lanka S. (1995) in www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/slartefact.htm

- Papadopulos E. et al. (1998) in www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/epcurmedres98.htm

- De Harven E. (2003) in www.altheal.org/isolation/isolhiv.htm

- De Harven E. (2012) in “Nexus”, N° 80, May-June 2012, page 109.


Source..

www.robertscottbell.com/blog/measuring-viral-load-does-not-prove-the-existence-of-a-hypothetical-hiv-by-etienne-de-harve

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From what I gather from experts on some of these videos,

YOU CANNOT TELL THE HEALTHY STATE OF YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM FROM LOOKING INTO BLOOD RESULTS OF ANY SORT.....

Thanks.....